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Classic Caesar Dressing Sphere
jbriere1022
Today I tried to create a caesar dressing sphere in a agar and LBG bath. I was originally going to attempt to do reverse spherification but I was told that the texture of the dressing and ph would make it difficult for me to get the results I am looking for. With help form Chef Crilly I turned to the LBG/Agar bath for more promising end result. I did a few different trials slightly changing up the percentages of the baths. The percentages of the baths are as follows #1- .8% agar/ .1% LBG, #2- .9% agar/ .15% LBG, #3- 1.% agar/ .2% LBG. Now i realize that the difference in these are minimal but I wanted to have more than one trial to test anyways. I froze the dressing in molds and warmed the baths up to a little above room temp and let them sit for a few minutes. when I went to place my frozen molds in the bath the exterior immediately started to deteriorate. I attempted to carefully baste the bath over the top of the sphere. I had no such luck in retaining the texture/shape of the mold what so ever and ended up with a caesar flavored bath. This leaves me at several conclusions, one being my percentages/math is off, or two that the style sphere I am looking to create will need a different style bath. The caesar dressing ingredients were nothing out of the normal, classically made with an emulsion (yolks/garlic/anchovies/lemon/grated parm/oil/water/ apple cider vin/ mustard/ S&P). If anyone has any ideas, suggestions, or advice i'd be very glad to hear any thoughts on this current project. Much thanks!
-Jake
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Brendan_Lee_56950
I had the same problem when I attempted this several months ago, I tried regular and reverse spherification but ended up giving up on it but I have learned a lot since then so I am curious to see what the folks here recommend. Mine fel apart exactly the same as yours did, it was quite frustrating.
Jack_Mayer_85396
Very interesting, I love Caesar Salad and have been making my own dressing since college. It would be fun to do the spheres ...
Chris_Young_80640
@Jake
— Need to think about this a bit. But I might try pectin for the bath since it sets well with acid. You'll want a low-methoxyl pectin, not the usual stuff. You should have some of the LM pectin around JWU (or you can get it from Modernist Pantry or TerraSpice). Try a 2% LM Pectin bath and maybe 3% calcium lactate in the dressing.
Why didn't you use the alginate approach again? I would think you could get that to work with the frozen reverse approach. I don't really recommend agar for spherification.
Brendan_Lee_56950
@chris
I did the traditional frozen reverse spherification and it gelled but had absolutely no structure to it no matter how long I left it in the bath. The results looked identical to what
@jake
posted in his pictures
Chris_Young_80640
Try doing the traditional frozen reverse, but with 0.1% and 0.2% SHMP added to your dressings.
jbriere1022
@Chris
- Thanks for the suggestion! Thats interesting that you mention the LM pectin because I just read an article about adhering fruit structures together using a Calcium solution compressed into the fruit and a LM pectin solution painted on the exterior, very interesting!
I did not use the alginate approach because some friends from work and I had attempted it a long time ago, we also had little to no knowledge on spherification. After several trials I got it in my head that this was not the correct approach for this style dressing.
I plan on trying both versions with the LM pectin and the traditional frozen reverse this week.
Another question that raises concerns is the size of the spheres I am making are rather large, does this affect the time allowed in the bath?
David_Quintana_63467
Hey there jake..nice to see you on here.... Awesome forum. anywho... like he mentioned if your acidity is high...doing standard sphereif..it may not set properly...
This is just my opinion now: but if i would try something new like casear sphere...i would first try a ratio that i know works. You can always "flavor" a liquid to taste like caesar.. But if i'm trying something new like that..i'll start with a tried and true base and then modify from there. and yes the fruit glue is pretty cool...there is also a gelatin/meat glue combo that can glue veg together in terrine style...
jbriere1022
Whats up dave, I am interested in that veg glue with all the product we have going at roots, and its funny you say that because we just did a mornay stuffed shroom for v-day (cut,hollowed, and breaded back together) and I was thinking about veg glue.
Besides that, after some trial time I have managed to nail down this caesar sphere business with the help of some great minds and a sweet forum!!
I did some trials for a few different methods: frozen reverse into alginate, frozen reverse into alginate with SHMP, and calcium lactate into lm pectin. I actually got all 3 methods to work well for me, with some slight differences among each one.
Adjusting the caesar to the correct viscosity and flavor profile was a major key to this recipe.
Im still tinkering with the thickness of the cell membrane, through the difference in methods and allowed time in bath.
Dressing: Caesar
- 65g yolk
- 60g whole grain mustard
- 40 g anchovies
- 25g fresh garlic
- 5g Worcestershire
- 450g pommace oil
- 35g white balsamic vin
- 140g shredded parm
- 100-150g water
- salt to taste, I used 5g
MOP:
- puree all>drizzle oil>add cheese>adjust with water>season salt to taste
Sphere Methods:
- 2% Calcium Lactate Gluconate into .5% Sodium Alginate bath
- Same + .2% SHMP to the dressing
- 2.5% Calcium Lactate into 2% LM Pectin bath
Thanks again for all the advice.
Chris_Young_80640
Awesome job Jake!
jbriere1022
much thanks
seijoed
@Jake
- Stolen!!! And thanks a ton!
David_Quintana_63467
Nice...
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